»Guildcrafts Banning System

Hello ,
A lot of you may not know me so here's a small introduction of who I am ,I used to be staff on multiple servers on GC almost 6 months ago ,way before the new forums were made. I was staff for a while but I later quit due to reasons (Only old people will know)

Anyway ,when I was admin I always and I mean always recorded my bans/mutes in one way or another.Whether is was screenshots or videos not because it was a rule but because I just thought it was the right thing to do to be fair to everyone.
Now recently a friend of mine was banned on gc for "Aimbot" mainly because he popped up for it twice .Now I'm not making this post to say "OMG UNBAN HIM SO MUCH ABUSE OMG OMOGM DEMOTE" .No ,that's stupid .

The point of this post is how his unban was handled .I asked a few staff members on if they needed sufficient evidence to ban someone ,they all said yes .
Now no disrespect to the auto ban system ,but its not really the best .I went on an alt a while back to see if i would get banned. I went on kitpvp and I got popped up for forcefield (or autosoup,cant remember) around 2 times according to Super_Nate .He checkff'd me multiple times and i tried to look at suspicious as possible but Nate is good with detecting hacks so he kept checking me until i told him it was me.
https://gyazo.com/283b98f9e8c0dc16deac9bdb5e861442

This response to a ban should never be acceptable .No proof except for 2 notifications of he might be hacking."Might" .Almost ALL servers have their staff record the bans they do and I don't get why guildcraft is an exception .I spoke with a few staff members regarding the matter and here's what i got
<10:07:11> "azeememad_": do admins need to have proof to ban someone?
<10:09:49> "Paddy™": yes but they dont need to show the player
<10:10:04> "azeememad_": so if a player makes a ban appeal
<10:10:08> "azeememad_": they dont have to show it?
<10:10:15> "Paddy™": mhm
<10:10:18> "azeememad_": they can just say "NIGGA I GOT PROOF IN MY **** FOLDER"
<10:10:23> "Paddy™": yes
<10:10:28> "Paddy™": and show higher staff

Sorry for my language used there ,was just a bit pissed at that moment but that's not the point .Now this can be abused so hard .What I recommend (if what being said here is true) is that just post the video/screenshot(of how many bots they hit with checkff) on the ban appeal ,how is that so hard?

<10:33:10> "azeememad_": i wanna make a post on gcs banning system
<10:33:14> "azeememad_": like some staff
<10:33:17> "azeememad_": post proof
<10:33:20> "Panda": nrg
<10:33:20> "azeememad_": but many dont
<10:33:21> "Panda": dont use it
<10:33:23> "Panda": because
<10:33:25> "Panda": he is a pvp admin
<10:33:31> "Panda": pvp admins can ban from themself mostly.

Now if this is true ,something is really messed up with the banning system on GC ,a pvp admin can ban anyone with no proof? No offense but most staff on gc aren't really the best at detecting hacks .PVP servers like badlion ,kohi and many more require their staff to record hacking bans ,even owners are required proof to ban someone (eg: When a badlion owner streams a uhc ,if they see someone x raying ,they need sufficient proof the ban the person) .Staff on the two servers I just mentioned are few of the best pvpers in minecraft ,so I don't get why GC gives pvp admins the privilege to ban people without sufficient proof.

In the Unban Format ,this is said
Why you think it's wrong or right:
State you reason why you think you should be unbanned. You can do this by providing proof or by providing information which might help your case. You can also use this part to apologize.

The providing proof part shouldn't even be there .It's not up to the players to gather proof of them just getting banned .It's up to the person who banned them to provide proof to backup the ban ,otherwise the banned person should get unbanned. When I play on a server ,I don't want to record every single thing I do so if i get banned I have the proof to back myself up ,I come on a server to have fun without caring about me getting banned .

Lastly ,I'm making this post not to flame anyone ,I used to and I still love guildcraft and hope the best for it and it's community .I just don't like how some staff deal with bans ,I can't say much about it because I can't look at unban requests (which doesn't make sense) but the one that I did look at just makes me think that the banning system is just messed up.

I would really appreciate other people's response to this to see what they have to say about the current banning/proof providing system.
Thanks

 

Personally I always make evidence of every ban I make. If it is force field, I provide a screenshot of the tests. Anti knock-back, I record a video of it. Advertisement, Screenshot etc.
If someone would make an unban appeal of my ban, I have my evidence to provide.

But yes, I do agree that evidence that justifies the ban should be provided if explicitly asked.

However, not everyone is able to record videos..

 

Many off the people in this community might know me as a flaming toxic piece of shit, which I can't really deny. Not saying I didn't change but whatevs.
However I was pretty decent at pvp and knew if someone was hacking in the first few hits.
Anyways onto the post itself, I have stated before maybe not directly but the staff of this community is very interesting to say the least. Many of them shouldn't even be staff because they don't meet the requirements.
Not gonna name anyone, as the staff of this server has changed so much since I last played that I can't even comment on it, but I will say from my experience its rather frustrating.
Staff rely on the anticheat too much, they see an NCP check popup and they instantly think that the person is cheating which is often than not a false positive.
I do understand that the server is in need of staff but you can't just accept pretty much anyone, which is the case nowadays...
To be honest most of the staff doesn't even speak English that fluently, they're just ok at it.
I completely agree with azeememad and not because hes a friend but because I have experienced problems with the staff of this server in the past and it seems like nothing changed.
Reports,ban appeals and such are handled in the same dumb way.
Hell, even the senior staff members handle it unprofessionally.
The anticheat system even tho its been worked on a lot is still bad, no offense Tibo but the checks are just dumb...
Using random spawning NPCs to check for ff and killaura is just retarded and takes away fun.
Not gonna name the person who banned me a while ago for apparently cheating when I didn't use jack shit, pretty sure he will know that its him if he reads this and he also handled it unprofessionally and got into a verbal argument with me about it on teamspeak.
This server has been going downhill a long time ago, and it just keeps going downhill.
It might not reflect in directly player count but can clearly be noticed that the community is just sinking lower and lower


These are just my opinions though, because after all I'm just a toxic mineman.
gg

 

Have to agree on this post and give my personal opinion on this (Plz no banerino on forums, its my first post )

But onto the point, I believe staff is trained very poorly on the server. From what I know and in my previous time being staff, you could simply become as staff member as long as you met the requirements and not dumb enough to make a 2 line application. Staff should honestly have more expectations and be taught in a better way.

When I first became staff, I was only given the basics and on my on from there on out. Based on your common sense and I guess "work style." The staff you act as, is the person you are. If you're a hard working person who is aware of what they're doing you'll most likely be looked at as a good staff member. Other times, staff can get into bad habits for example not provide proof on unban requests, ignoring players, not looking at chat just because "You're admin and its a mod's job." No, that's not how its work, well at least I hope not. Maybe the ban system is not the best, but it's also staff that have to be in check. There should really be given more direction once I player turns into a staff member.

Things can be done in a more professional way and from looking at the player count on guildcraft, more and more people come on. Staff is supposed to be looked at as a person who can guide and benefit the server, not someone just being there because they have nothing better to do. In my opinion, I believe there should be a lot more training being done and test-admins like in factions so head-admins can keep an eye out if someone is ready or not. Same goes for mod, someone needs to be watching them so they're not constantly getting into habits they should not have.

 

Definetly agree.

 

Basically innocent until proven guilty, also maybe requesting a ss through join.me before banning would be nice

And autocheat I just don't know how someone would appeal to that because it seems to make lots of errors

 

LOL, I pvped el when he was on his alt litrally, he was the most legit he can be. He told me that it was his alt so that he can fight everyone. You admins should try pvping the guy first in order to know if he was legit or no. I mean barb is a class that acts way differently. If you strafe with barb, the guy actually knocks to the right and in mid air goes to the left because of the knockback, I can't even believe this he was so fucking legit man. Litrally there are 200barbs toggling in game and you guys don't even care about them and there is one legit barb who doesn't hack and you care about him. +1 on idea azeem they should have video proof while banning which involves suspiction I don't want them to record those people who are practically playing with ff which is easily noticeable. But aimbot is not easy to notice, and if you can't record banning hacker don't take them for the post. Diablo was legit man.

 

I actually spoke to Diablo in TS just yesterday when I heard about this. Wouldn't wanna take sides but I definitely was quite shocked by this :/ Guess we could use some work on how bans are handled :/

 

Hello,

So I have recently got banned by Nrgg for using aimbot with barely proof of me hacking except for two notifications.
I just believe they have to not rely on the Anti-Cheat as much like Immersive mentioned, Getting banned for popping up in TAC <Tibo-AntiCheat> is just ridiculous.

What also brings my attention on the unban threads. I have checked at least 2~3 pages of unban requests which have been ignored. moderators/player-admins just tagging admins. When some of the staff actually do reply almost zero proof is given.

I am not here to say that staff on GuildCraft don't know what to do, I am just saying a majority of staff here just ban with no proof or screenshot.
So I believe "Pvp-Admins" should still have sufficient proof just like every other admin should.

 

ikr worst admin @Nrgg

 

You say that we said that a PvP admin needs no proof?
That's nonsense, we just don't expect our staffs to record every ban and PvP admins indeed can ban purely based on visual proof and even when autoban checks are negative.
As you say, the autoban system doesn't work perfectly so we create it in such a way (or well Tibo does) that it only bans when it's 99.99% hacks, if that's not the case but there is something suspicious then we get a notification.
When we only get notifications we always check it out and PvP admins can ban based on what they see.
Well it's nice how I see you and diablo say stuff like 'Well you should have recorded, pvp admins should also record everything'
Well
1) You guys didn't do this when you were staff, don't say you did because I know you didn't.
2) It's GC policy that PvP admins can ban without having to record the ban.
3) Some unban requests do get checked but don't need a response (when the ban was already corrected or is 100% true or the unban request doesn't match the correct format )
This thread is useless and will be locked, yes you give arguments but the arguments are mostly invalid and you can't expect us to change our policy just because one of your friends got banned.