»[Unbans] Feedback

So basically after being false autobanned, and considering the fact that its been 3 days I think its time I made a response.

The unban system, is so poorly decided, that at this point, if you've been autobanned like me, you're very likely to have your ban expire before you get a response (Unless you stumbled onto a server with an extremely active and efficient head admin. Yeah you head admins know who you are )

Considering that an entire server, its systems, plugins, players, bans, admins, and unbans all rely on one person. I highly recommend getting more admins to get access to unban. And of course it comes with experience but, question this.

Why are admins able to ban, but not able to unban for a system that's accuracy in correct bans, is always less than the accuracy of an admin?

I don't understand the system, or the reasoning behind it. I understand, that there has to be experience to really see who should be unbanned or not, and I really understand that. But why is it that there is only 1 person on your server, answering the tens of hundreds of unbans that are made every reset? I being one of many who has been false autobanned I believe 5 times now, and I'm woefully grateful to certain head admins who respond in time. But if you're going to be inactive, for school and what not, I don't see any reason as to why there shouldn't be someone else being able to do your job while you're doing school?

I'd like to consider this like a system, admins are generally picked if their time slot for the server is not filled. If it is, it is possible, however if the time slot isn't filled [The time you're able to be on to cover the server], then it is likely you have a chance at that spot. Through this system you're able to make sure that there is usually an admin available within that time, at all times, or most. But considering the unban section, and not the ban system, its woefully under-prepared.

There is not more than 1 person who is able to answer your unban request. And yes there technically is, but realistically there really isn't. Out of the 50+ admins that look at your unban request, you'd honestly want to believe that at least 1 is able to look into where you were autobanned, how it happened, when, and who was there, to determine whether or not its true. If its really that hard, why are admins able to ban? Its simply annoying, and it really doesn't seem like a balanced system. Over 100 total admins -> all of which can ban. Out of the 108 or so head admins, forum admins, and normal in game admins -> 1 is able to unban you. 1 Head Admin

1 Head admin is deciding this, and that too, it'll probably be a response AFTER you're unbanned. Like I'm fine waiting 1 day, maybe 2, but 3 days is 72 hours in which I don't see how if you're going to run a server, I don't see why 1) You're not able to check the forums 2) If you are, why you aren't getting to unbans from 3 days ago. and 3) Why you're not allowed to have admins HELP you if you're falling behind on certain areas such as unbans.

If you're going to be a head admin, and be inactive, thats absolutely fine, but when you're being negligent or not putting yourself into the player's shoes I simply don't understand why someone else isn't doing your job for you since you're not doing it. For those of you who play factions: You would know that, 72 hours is enough time to have an entire faction over claimed, simply due to the faults of an automated system which no admin is able to correct other than 1. And of course there is the classic response "head admins are busy" and YES they are, and that is fine, but if you have school, and after school work, then why is it that you're incharge of all this stuff but aren't able to hand off some of the work to other admins? I'd love to question as to why there is only 8 players out of a 2000+ player community able to help you get unbanned, and considering the fact that autoban is horrifically problematic for several players. I don't believe that the idea of an "100% accurate" autoban exists, but considering autoban has like a 10% chance of failing, I don't see why there isn't more admins able to carry the load head admins already have for handling a server.

Now here comes those head admins that are actually doing their job, and of course this isn't directed to you head admins, but rather to those who have a tendency of going inactive at random periods, or not being able to come on for 24 hours, or 48, or not being able to check everything. Maybe there should be some one else helping you.

Consider this...

90+ admins are able to ban, and 1 system is made to ban as well

But

Out of those 90+ admins, there are a select few that can correct the faults of the 1 system, which mind you has mildly poor accuracy.

Now if you get autobanned, and you're like me, falsely autobanned for 72 hours without a response.

Here's the long crowd who probably has made an unban, ban expired before even getting a response.

http://imgur.com/a/WZVeg


Props to you head admins that answer your unbans within a reasonable amount of time.

Edit this system
@aXed @Tibo442

 

+1

 

It doesn't rely on one person. If you tell me your ban reason I can assure you it wasn't false.

Blessings,

-Maddogwreckthem

 

Yes tell me how my "auto banned for killaura was false" please provide the proof kindly. I'd love to see exactly how you can explain I was "using killaura" by hitting people above me whilst the lower half of my character is glitched into a block pushed by a piston, is "using kill aura" plx.

Feel free.. to tell me while you're at it the 100+ other unban requests against autoban why they're also wrong for trying to appeal a ban for "killaura or aimbot". Please go right ahead, I'd delighted to see your explanation, proof, and logs.

And don't tell me it doesn't rely on one person. Because autoban has always only been something that a head admin has unbanned for. Not once in my 5 false autobans that were resolved, was there anyone but the head admin who responded, or was able to respond. I'll gladly tag @Melon333 to ask him if he has permission to unban for autoban.

 

Deciding on whether one should be unbanned is simple very simple matter of fact it took Tibo less than 30 seconds to determine if the person who was banned was correct or not based on simple facts. Autoban = bad Detection = good
The detection is not wrong the autoban is what is incorrect. If you where to look at the tac logs for instance if you where falsely banned then it had to do with the autoban now this is saying "IF" because based on my calculation and testing hack clients on the server (private ones) so tibo can't possibly have had access to these private clients because the code is not available for him. I can assure you that most of his checks are correct on autoban / detection yes sometimes it could be a wrong /reason / ban but this is very very minimal... I can tell you 3/4 of guildcraft players that make unbans saying "false ban" / "i didn't hack" are bullshit... I have asked in the past for them to check over and over the TAC logs and they where right every single time... Not once have I been able to stump TAC for a false ban... I mean since I have been testing TAC multiple times I know all the things not to use so that I wont get autoban but when you have a private client the code is not public so tibo cannot possibly be able to prevent it on GuildCraft... Its as simple as that When someone says "Sneak attack" you can only prepare for the worst and expect for the best...

Blessings,

-Maddogwreckthem

 

If you believe its so godly at being accurate, I don't see why others don't feel the same? Simply due to the fact that you dont experience these problems doesn't mean others don't. As a matter of a fact, I believe if unbans were public we'd see well over 100+ unbans against TAC, and I know you'd say "oh well it was probably right" well I believe if the logs for TAC were also public, you'd be able to easily see how easy it is to get detected unknowingly. Yes you might be like "oh you can't do it unknowingly" but oh yes you can. I can say from personal experience, that I've been autobanned unknowingly whilst pvping several times. As a matter of a fact when you say 3/4 that 1/4th is the portion that GC is slowly losing. And my point is not that they're not being accepted but the fact that, there is literally no response being given what so ever. And of course this is due to the fact that once again, the autoban isn't something that admins have permission to unban for. Yes it requires looking through logs, coordinates as of the ban (if its for something involving glitches or something else that might've played a factor) But I know for a fact that there is more than just the 8 or so head admins that can do this, and as a matter of a fact that these players are the same admins who've been here for 1 year+, and have more than likely gotten a higher accuracy in bans than TAC. TAC is something that detects, and autobans, but I don't see why it is so evidently faulty, yet not enough admins are able to have access to answering these unban requests. At least giving a response is better than having your unban expire, and simply knowing your ban probably wasn't even recognized, or looked at. And more over its simply the fact that the system is so slow for some servers, and fast for others and that there are still unban requests that aren't being answered by the day that they're expired. It is not within the faults of TAC which I'm focusing its the faults of the inactivity in updating the unban section. I personally believe GC is slowly losing players to false bans, believe it or not people aren't going to wait 10 days, especially if it was false. Its simply something that just comes down to how many people are being active in looking at the unbans, answering, and how many are simply standing by letting everything go by ONLY because they can't do anything about it.

And I don't doubt an admin's opinion on whether or not the ban is legit, but rather I doubt that the job is being done at all, as a matter of a fact, I'd actually love to see the unbans becoming public to see how many have gone by without a response from those who're responsible for taking care of the unbans. It isn't their fault but it is their job to tell axed very well whether or not they're able to keep up, and if they're not able to keep up I see no reason in not telling someone who could possibly help them, or allow others to help them. It isn't being admitted but there are a lot of unbans that head admins have passed by without even glancing, and it is very likely some of those people were banned falsely, and it is also very likely that some of those players quit due to the fact that, that may've happened to the 4+ times to them without getting a response. Certain servers simply receive far too little care in the unban section, and that is what is mainly bothering me, receiving a response that I believe is wrong is one thing, and simply getting no response, is another thing.

 

Bluejay is Not The Type of Person to use Kill Aura i Have Known Him for a Very Long time. Staff and Owners Should Put this Into consideration i Have also Been Falsely Banned By Auto Ban Many Different times Staff on Teamspeak Just Says "Wait it out" How about you Fix It Sorry to hear about this @BlueJay

 

Ok look Tender Asy have been here since 1.6 of GC. Now here is where I tell you that letting admins that have no "right" no "trust" (Trust in minecraft doesn't exist you don't know the person face to face) or "time on the server".

Admins are picked good activity / activeness / clean / etc. an being a mod
When being an admin you don't need 1+ years 2+ years on the server it doesn't matter because that would mean I should be admin or mod yes? No I just contributed to the problem...

Now continuing on... Making TAC available to regular admins will only increase! the security issue with GuildCraft... These are custom coded if TAC logs are availble to anyone! than wtf is the point of having them kept private? What is point of GuildCraft? What will be special about guildcraft.... nothing. Simple as that.

If TAC logs are public I can assure you I would have 2 dev come to guildcraft an edit their private client even more than it is right now to be unstoppable on GuildCraft.

Now you say well if they're admins they should be fine no?

WRONG

Lets take a flashback to ObamaMC you might not know him... Well this guy has been playing GuildCraft longer than a lot of people even including Sluwee, Asyfrost, and Tenderman now your thinking well what about ObamaMC? Well you would think he is a good admin material... Ya your wrong just one player it took ObamaMC was a dev himself an coded a poison plugin an all it took was Trust an being an Admin simple as that.... An me an obamamc an a few others hijacked the server for an entire day banned all staff an you tell me @BlueJay you think that won't happen again ? if we allow admins regular admins to use TAC? YOU THINK? It doesn't take a genius to F*ck up a server. But it also doesn't need rants like this one that don't understand what happens behind the scenes to yell and yell at staff.

Bottom Line is TAC being public and or / regular admins = Bad idea

You don't trust ppl in minecraft as it is just a game

Blessings,

-Maddogwreckthem

 

Once again, this isn't my only point. I never said admins HAD to have it, I said to have it more open, yes that would include some additions but honestly if you're going to have a system that is going to continuously false autoban, then you should have someone looking to re-look at the bans. I honestly don't agree with the idea that a system that detects some players correctly and others incorrectly, its just a hassle, and if no one is going to actually take initiative to look at the unban requests why the hell are players getting banned? And you say trust. Meanwhile theres a system that you "trust" to do something any admin can do perfectly fine, better, and in an all around safer way, with a MUCH more accurate ban accuracy. Yes I understand this hijacking crap about ObamaMC.

Atleast come up with a better system, honestly not going to bother if I have to wait for 1 head admin to respond to a thread that they'll probably never read until after my ban is over. Literally the most annoying process I've seen since EULA, the communication is lacking, and the ability to even get the proper person to handle it, is worse than what Mojang did with the EULA. I see where you're coming from. But honestly if you don't hack, you'd atleast expect the logs to be present to prove that you weren't hacking. And ontop of that, its just the simple fact that once again, if admins aren't going to be trusted with TAC, which I generally agree with after your response, why the hell are unban threads there? Like honestly its clearly just wasting my time, giving others false hope if some head admins have no care to look at them. [Note: Some not all]

72 Hours is enough time for you to atleast freaking read threads. Like seriously, if you're not atleast going to make it more efficient atleast get these current head admins that're inactive as hell to become more inactive. No hate just the sad truth that the admins on servers are more active than the head admins themselves, which is freaking ridiculous considering the fact that the head admin controls the server.

And I really don't see how you can argue the simple fact that unban threads aren't read in time. And its honestly just a freaking waste of time. You'd expect a server you play on to be able to atleast ANSWER something.

Yes you may be right on "sharing TAC logs" but you completely missed the fact that some head admins, don't even fucking check the damn unban threads. And you only get to the point of rage quitting when you've 1) done nothing wrong 2) Literally camped TS for over 10 hours in a period of 2 days. Its frustrating, and its something you wouldn't understand unless you were put into someone else's position. And I know some head admin is going to comment "be patient" or some classic response, but you'd expect a server you donated a 1000 euros to, to be able to at least provide you with some half decent response within 72 hours. That was what I expected, clearly... not met.

And obviously some kid thinking he's smart is going to say "well then leave" Yes, give me a refund for all I've spent and I'd gladly leave.

And since I'm already going all out, I'll be bloody honest. If GC offered to refund every donator on this server, I guarantee 90% of factions donators would have left when they were given the option to do so. Sad Truth.

This is the kind of stuff that people quit for, due to the lack of communication on SEVERAL servers. Some less than others, there are several servers that actually have good communication, however once again, the ones I've focused on in this rant, clearly lack decent activity, or care for autoban, or its players affected.

 

And yes at this point that is what I actually feel like doing after having to deal with what is known as "patience of waiting for a response to an unban" 72 hours later... still waiting... I bet you I wouldn't get a response in the 240 hours time the ban lasted... smh.

 

Eh that is why I don't understand where any of these rants come from because I never had to wait or I just never complained... When I got banned I know I was hacking and to this day im grateful to all the people that i've met that have unbanned me and even unperm banned me for free. That is where I feel like I will never understand the struggle that you have.

Now When I said i've calculate that 3/4 were all bullsh*t im telling you that I have fought alot of unbans... Not unbans for me unbans for other people. People I don't even like I have gone out of my way to contact a head admin waste his time and then find out that they where hacking... :/ Like over the past year since my time quitting, I have seen aton of people that I know some older players in community that I feel bad for an I work my ass off to get in contact with a Head Admin to check their TAC logs and after wasting all his time to find the day an the logs it ends up the guy I was fighting for to make a difference was hacking.

No you were not one of them. Every time I felt like this person in my heart that they were innocent the head admin would say no tac logs showed multiple violations that are impossible to do without hacks.

Believe me I have tried to save people many people.

Blessings,

-Maddogwreckthem

 

I just dont fking get it...

I am probably one of the laggiest player on GC due to my shit internet and ping. Like 300-350. Glitching into blocks, getting rubber-banded is like what i always get whenever i hop on to play. Meanwhile, players like you who have low ping and rarely get glitched into blocks as much as i do always get autobanned. How irration is this shit?

I have known you for a while and i have never had any doubt in ya. Therefore, the autoban might be wrong. On the other hand, will this be fair to everyone? There can be hackers who use this bullsh1t "autoban is broken" excuse to get unbanned. Things will definitely be fked up.

Although autoban might have some fked up shit in it, We cant get rid of autoban since it has helped us with banning various hackers in the past. Therefore:

You dont need to make another rant, causing more drama and such. Just quit GC if you dont like autoban since noone forces you to play on this server. I know u wasted like $350 on it but ey, you paid for it so just live with it. Nothing can be resolved at this point.

 

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Hio

 

all like this post if u have been falsely banned by autoban.

 

even if autoban is wrong or not it would still be nice to have maybe 2 people for each server that can unban just in cast the autoban is wrong u atleast get ur unban request read faster

 

I do agree that many times, it takes staff a long time to reply to any unmute or unban requests

 

yes these "2 people" would need to be trusted which is impossible to find because they would have access to "unbans" and "tac" logs which is horrible idea.

 

So much writing

 

I honestly doubt that autoban fucks up. The small amount which keeps complaining: "autoban is incorrect, it has to be fixed." are mostly real hackers who wanna find themselves excuses to get unbanned. I am honesyly disgusted of them. And yes, i honestly think you are lying. Auto has surely fucked up several times in the past, banning legit players but now, it doesnt. I have seen hackers getting autobanned while i pvp as it works fine for me. Therefore, dont fking blame autoban and shit filthy hackers. Dont you feel ashamed of hacking? Please stop lieing. It wont do you any good.