»[KitPvP] Remove or Debuff Eagle Kit?

Hey all,

If you've played on the KitPvP server, you'll understand that skill (or hacks) isn't what necessarily defines who wins in a 1v1 situation - it's also largely influenced by the kit you are using. Now, first off, I would like to say that most of the kits are actually quite balanced and fun to use. Unfortunately, this is not the case with the Eagle kit. Essentially, players have the ability to fly for 5+ seconds, depending on your kit level. I can't even stress enough how much people are using this perk almost abusively. You can literally do anything: Fly on top of the highest building to camp, pick off people in the water, and successfully run away from a battle you're losing. This is only scratching the surface on what the kit can be exploited to be used as. I can tell you this - it is the utter worst feeling to have almost killed your opponent, but to see him fly safely up and away (or get sniped from that same person when feeling safe in the water!). Now after posting this thread, I can tell I am going to get a ton of hate like "you just aren't good" and "it's only op if you use it right" and "you suck at pvp", but I have to do what I believe will help balance the KitPvP server more. This could bring about an increase in the amount of overall player count and positive ratings, including non-donators (me). Whatever happens, it's up to the staff team to decide.
Cheers!
[Edit: Please read all comments before posting your thoughts!]

 

Every kit is built to have a counter, that doesn't necessarily a counter to one kit has to be another kit, in the Eagle's case the best counter is an Eagle.
And you mention it could bring an increase in the player count.
Well last year the player count would top at 60 on weekends and 20 to 30 players on average. But nowadays we get 70+ per day and on some good weekend days we reach to 90, and guess what, eagle has been in the game this whole time.

 

but eagle is available to everyone, why not use it urself? Tbh I never felt a need to attack eagles cuz J end up teaming with them but with my kits speciality ( reaper ) I can easily get to them and with dragon you can easily one shot kill them with dragon special. an eagle can only fly once in 30 sec unless you've kitpvp ultra so I think it's quite well balanced

 

I disagree. You can't really counter an Eagle in mid-air, so the best you can do is chase him/her around. Regarding your statement about the player count, that was last year. All of the servers in Guildcraft probably didn't have as much as it does now. I merely thought bringing at least some balance to the Eagle kit would increase player count, because blocking the usage of such exploitable kit would eliminate cheap kills and snipes from mid-air. Also remember 30 seconds isn't long at all... your hotbar of soups usually runs out in a tough pvp situation in about 20+ seconds, and after running a little more, you can safely fly into the air away.
Now about Honey's statements, the reason why the Eagle is available to everyone is one of the biggest problems. Anyone can use it now to fly around aimlessly. Your sentence regarding teaming with Eagles is not relevant - the "overpowered" aspect of the kit still exists. Also, the dragon isn't just one-shot to Eagle, and the donor-only accessibility makes it even more balanced.

 

He is comparing player count between last year and now to show that it's rising even thou, in your opinion, there is unbalanced kits. Not just last year read the whole post.

No told you to counter him in "mid-air" just wait 3 secs and he will fall. If you mean on a high building instead of mid air there is s load of kits with ranged weapons, and reaper/e-mage to get to eagles.

Htf will you balance it ? the class has one single ability what will you do ?
It's not cheap kills, trust me barb is more cheap but both kits are available to non-donors so if you think a kit is op use it. I don't understand your mid-air still, how can someone kill another guy in the sky again if u mean while flying then its not cheap if he can hit you u can hit him he won't flying 10 blocks above you and hit u just fight instead of running its 4 secs ffs.

Wtf is the advantage of using a full hotbar of soup on one person then running.

Again i can't see the opiness in flying around aimlessly.

 

Obviously, my view on the unbalanced kit, Eagle, does not mean the Guildcraft server isn't getting more players, rather by correcting this problem, there potentially could be an increase of player count in KitPvP.

Most of the time, players trying to run away are either:
1. Getting away.
2. Getting more soups in hotbar.
Almost 90% of the time, unless the person is really dumb and flies very close by, he/she can succeed in accomplishing those two listed actions. On a side note, it is very hard to know where a flying Eagle is going, even if you are using the reaper/endermage, especially if the player flies in hard-to-get places. Ranged weapons won't work when the eagle disappears behind a ledge or tree, and can't pierce through blocks.

My original intent was not to balance it, but rather remove it. If there is a way (I can't really think of one now), maybe nerfing the kit would be beneficial as well. Also, the barbarian's ability is quite difficult unless experienced - it is pretty hard to land hits when in super-speed, and plus the barbarian can't fly...

I don't think you understand my statement. In a PvP situation, when you run out of soups (usually takes 20 seconds ish), the Eagle can take off and run away/get more soups effortlessly. If the cooldown of the eagle ability still hasn't reached 30, I said "after running a little more, you can safely fly into the air away". Sounds a bit cheap, doesn't it?

I didn't say people use it JUST for "aimlessly flying", rather I implied that they could essentially do anything with it. This includes running away and aimlessly flying.

 

Bump.

 

Bump...

 

Do you have any other alternative(s) for eagle?

 

It's hard to nerf such a straightforward kit, as you can only do changes such as increasing cooldown or time limit for flying, so the best alternative would probably to remove it. Some replacements could be the enderman (not endermage), witch, pig (superspeed), bunny (jump), or something like that though

 

Its so funny seeing how you want a kit to be nerfed because you cant handle it lmao. Before making this thread think of how you can go against maybe get some friends with eagle to get the other eagle when he flys so both of you can chase him down and kill him or let him chase you and attack the eagle when his special is down. If they do fly to get soups crit out the soups so it would make the flying useless, but this is my opinion on this thread

 

Um, no. It really doesn't matter what your skill level is, the pros of literally flying while pvping is almost endless. Don't think of me as some sort of ignorant noob; I'm not. Now, about your second statement - it is almost impossible to fire down targets who are flying, and teaming/etc only applies to when the Eagle is down. This in no way guarantees the fact that the Eagle almost always gets away when he really wants to. You can fly at least 50+ blocks in any direction before stopping... The Eagle dominates while flying, and only needs to wait out another 30 seconds before flying again, can't you see how this is so exploitable?

 

there is no need to nerf that kit.
even before u played this server this kit was already there.
just learn to counter it and when an eagle fly away to take soups u can do the same but u dont even have to move because the eagle already fly's

 

I disagree. What if the Eagle was used to get away, every time you fought him? How would you feel about essentially being cheated from your kill? Also remember, when the Eagle is strafing you from mid-air, it's almost impossible to fight back unless you have some really good jitter-clicking. You're essentially trying to tell me to "get good", while paying no attention to the fact that there are many players who are much worse than me; and therefore stand an even less chance against this kit.

 

u are wrong if u have 2 people the first person can chase down the eagle then the second one can finish the person with the fly easy now yes u seem like a noob i my self can take on a eagle easy even if they fly away so get better and stop complaining

 

On a 1v1 for average, normal players like myself, the Eagle always has the advantage. Whatever skill level you view yourself as, that doesn't apply to the fact that the kit is still op. Also, telling someone to "get better" isn't going to literally make him get better. Fix your grammar, by the way.

 

get better can mean make u get better ever heard of training? and eagle doesnt always have an advantage yes it can fly but its sword damage isn't that high a emage can easily kill it by criting it and can also catch up to it with its ability also a werewolf speed can be so fast that it can strafe a eagle that it will kill it so it doesnt have a huge advantage and all kit can kill each other in many ways so its not so op over other kits it just has fly that makes it special in its own way

 

now here... there are kits already that have these aspects... werewolf superspeed and fairy jump boost

 

I take it as an insult, the way you said it. So what, if I'm bad? Of course I train, I've spent countless hours into KitPvP by now, don't criticize me because of that. One can always argue the Eagle doesn't always have an advantage, yet if you really think about it, the Eagle beats essentially all kits in most aspects. It doesn't matter if your the werewolf or the emage, it's very hard to hit a flying target.

These are only suggestions. Why pick on me just because of these ideas? These kits can be changed however it needs to be, or it doesn't even need to be implemented.

 

Ok yes i am picking on you you are just a brand new person to kitpvp who doesnt know anything about it you just are pissed off that eagle is op? and no it is not it is good but can be taken down and hitting people in the air inst hard but eagle can truly only be op based on the user if you give eagle to a noob they will die but if you kill someone who is good with it example @dragopromaster he can be very op and he is cause he knows it and he got so op with it he got on over 500 killstreak. so dont say this kit should be nerfed or removed if you dont know how it cant be op or not its all based on the user of the kit