»[Factions Original] Im unhappy and here's why(suggestion)

well I can agree that the igs have no place in the new economy, switching to a farming economy is probably for the best.

but... I think its not really red stone that causes lag, what you guys should do is set things up like they are in semi vanilla.

per chunk there, hoppers can only exchange a certain amount of items per hour, and then they lock up.(along with furnaces and w/e else)
on most servers what really causes alot of lag is extreme entity counts from farms.(and those entities passing threw hopper tubes)

im my opinion it would be best just to limit hoppers in a very similar way to how things are done in semi vanilla(while keeping the 12 hoppers per chunk thing you already have going)
and the server "will" be a better faster place regardless of peoples massive autofarms.

now as for clocks, not all red stone clocks cause equal amounts of lag.
clocks built from comparitors and repeaters cause virtually none, burnout clocks made from redstone torches may cause a little bit(in extreme cases, a case I might add; I have never witnessed), while hopper clocks which constantly exchange items in hoppers do.

another interesting thing about how semi vanilla is setup is that hopper clocks eventually lock up too.

in the end you guys should just limit the use of hoppers, that way when ppl use them, they have to be used in the most efficient manner(aka no 40 block long hopper tubes)
if anything it would encourage the use of more water based item transport tubes, throw in cheap packed ice to make is so entities moving threw those tubes can move faster.
and then encourage ppl to only use a maximum of 3 hoppers per collection chest setup.

and your lag problem(if there is even one in the first place), will no longer be a problem.

 

I never said red stone torches were disabled to remove lag, I just stated the pvp thing because it's lag free for alot people now as a good remark for the reset not as a good remark for removing torches, I'm sorry if you can't read properly it's your problem, and in case you don't know there were a lot of fps lags in last resets pvp zone when you would go towards a pvp base, and I probably have a better computer than you, so obv it was server lags at some moments. Red stone torches has nothing to do with pvp. Also in case you don't know they only allow 12 hoppers in a chunk because of reducing auto farms and money flowing in like before. Also if you're new to the server they also took into consideration the fact that these things cause great lag, they disabled hoppers in survival cause it caused lag, things have become way better with this plus if you're still dumb enough to not figure out how to make money go check kris's guide out, this new way is actually faster than igs and will prevent alot alot of lag that came to the server.

 

I agree this is dump now we can't make tnt cannons? (good cannons)

 

Well guess we gotta go back to shitty cannons

 

You do know now not beacuse of IGs removed, but because us Titans especially do not have any outstanding perks, that we're angry?

 

Kit Titan.
Kit Potion.
Kit Miner.
Kit Spawner
Fix all.
Donatecoins.
Money.
Diamond blocks.
More vault slots (really handy now the end bases are raidable)
Well I guess you do have outstanding perks.

 

Kit potion - no diff from God,Demi
Kit miner - nth to say
Kit spawner - no diff from God
Fixall - how often do we even use it
Donatecoins - can't even buy IGs or good stuff thats worth
Money - economy R.I.P whats the use of it + others got IGs from bugs
DiamondBlocks - what use is it when the price is nerfed
Vault slots - i can do with just a vault of Demi
Overall, it IS extra perks but they don't really have a difference.
Furthermore, you guys are giving me the feeling that the server just wants MONEY. Like thats all. You dont actually bother about those of us who already donated and once thought the server was good. Well now you just ripped the whole thing and expect us to feel good about it.

 

'I dont use it'
'I could do with the demi god'
Well u still have the perks.
We can't say ow titan person x doesnt need vaults so he does get iron golems.
Money -> with sharp 6 and prot V it's still very useful.
Diamonds -> diamond armour. Very useful on factions.
Kits the same as god? Nope the cooldown/exact items are different.
Donatecoins -> don't act like you only could iron golems with them and now nothing that's nonsense.

Everyone wanted more ways to make money and the removal of iron golems, why?
Because titans could just snowball their money so hard it wasn't fair (not even if you compare them with gods)

Currently the donators still can make money much easier if you do it smart and make effort instead of just AFK-ing in your iron golem farm.

 

I like your reply, but only thing is, who would actually go and buy the instant enchants in shop? They're so overpriced! And diamonds arent even used for armor if we alr have our kits. And if you dont even know, our kit titan is the SAME as god, only diff cooldown. Donatecoins, it is true that the inexistence of IGs already made them worthless. Think about it, what are we even gonna raid for? Crops? Haha lmao.

 

I like the idea of limiting of IG buying per week/month and also the one making it buyable in voteshop and donateshop

 

Well, I don't see what all the fuss is about, because redstone torches are not really essential to all redstone machines. If you don't believe me, then you obviously don't know a single thing about redstone... In fact, redstone torches are only essential to gigantic, industrial sized farms that need to be compact... I myself have a design for every single farm in minecraft, that doesn't involve redstone torches. I will be happy to post the basics of the farms... I also do create several of these farms in-game for people. If you see me on factions, just ask, and I'll help!

Raid contractions are very simple to create without redstone. Infact, the ones that truly need redstone torches, are way too big to be creating on this server... If you can afford to create a tnt cannon so large that it needs torches, you can afford to find a slightly more expensive alternative. I know that there are some pretty OP bases out there, but really? You're making such a fuss over a tiny little torch?

There is even an alternative to the redstone torch itself! I'm sure many know, but to those of you who don't, it involves a lever, a piston (preferably sticky, but it can be normal too), and some redstone dust! Sure, it's not as compact, and it will cost a lot more, but so?


Well, here is the list of farm designs that I came up with awhile back. Hope you all like them!

Wheat/potato/carrot farms are easy, just wire up a dispenser full of water to a button, and you have yourself a semi-automatic farm.

Melon/pumpkin farms are tricky... The most cost efficient design I can think of, is a pressure plate, connected to several pistons, that, when activated, will break the melon/pumpkin into an item. Then just walk by, and pick up all the items! Cost efficient, quick, and easy!

Sugar cane farms are very simple! There are two options that are both very cost efficient!

Option 1) Build an afk pool (not for you!!!!). Place/push a mob that will not despawn into the pool. In one corner of the pool, use a pressure plate instead of a half slab to keep the water flowing. Connect the pressure plate to pistons that are aligned just above some sugar canes. Make a stream of water that pushes the items into one area. Then, every now and then, walk by that area and pick up the sugar canes!

Option 2) Place a pressure plate in a hallway (in your base) that you walk through often. Wire that up to pistons aligned directly above sugar canes. Make a water stream that pushed the items into the hallway next to the pressure plate. When you walk through that hallway again, you will pick up the sugar cane items!

Nether wart farms are really not needed... You can use dispensers filled with water, connected to a button (just like the wheat/carrot/potato farms) to break the nether wart plant, then replant them all manually.

I think everyone knows how to create a cactus farm. They're pretty easy.


Well, I tried to think of the best options for the farms, and I might have not even listed every single farmable item in minecraft. It is only 8 AM here, and I'm not totally awake yet, so don't judge me, but I'm just trying to help out here.

I hope you all see that there are several alternatives to redstone torches, and don't let this ruin your day... In the end, it's all just a game.
~Taylor

 

Also, the removal of IG's aren't that big of a deal... Like I said in my previous post, there are many other ways to make money!

Well, we can raid for kits, which sell pretty good, and are usually too large to keep too many in the vault... You can also raid just because you feel like it, and find ores in the player base... (I sometimes raid just for the heck of it)

TnT cannons are EASY to make without redstone torches! You shouldn't need torch pillars, or even an AND/OR/NOR gate on your tnt cannon. Redstone torches are mostly made for logic circuits, which shouldn't be needed in a cannon. The delay is key in a TnT cannon, and repeaters work just fine for creating delay (which, last time I checked, are available in the shop)

Well, this comment is probably my favorite by far, because I know tbi is very talented with redstone, like me. He knows all the alternatives, all the efficient ways, and all the substitutes to redstone components!!! I honestly think factions are good as they are, because now, like Steyn said, it's Play2Win, not AFK2win. (Very true!)
~Taylor

 

im just ticked off because there are a number of things that you pretty much need torches to build and there is in all actuality no real reason they should have been removed.

it just makes things unnecessarily complicated.

 

Wondering if I should smack my head on the wall or no after reading this

 

Me too. I don't wanna continue rambling here. If @aXed doesn't even see this thread then I feel Factions is already messed up. I had enough of this argument.

 

rip all the auto farms except for cactus

 

dude, about the redstone thing! trust me, you can enjoy more this way. If u have heard about Faction Black, the redstone torches were disabled from the start. And I have enjoyed every bit of it.
personally, my knowledge of redstone expanded after all this. There are bigger better and more compact cannons that do not need rts and are based on 1.8+. Invest some time in single player and do few workarounds you will learn better/interesting things. There's always something to minecraft that u never knew and that's what makes it so fun to play.

 

U dump u can't even make good cannons everything i make of redstone it cries about redstone sercuit or something
Please fix this

 

Alternatives to redstone torches are redstone ladders, glowstone etc. I hope to see redstone torches come back.

There thousands of ways to make clocks, i don't see the point in trying to ban em. You can make a (asymetric) clock with a cow even.

IG's shouldn't come back.

 

Leinarcher sucks in 1.8, just saying, they can't even stack up to 20 sands/shot like before.

I would recommend GC to make Factions version 1.7 due to it, much easier and competitive cannoning. Cannoning in 1.8 is just BS.