»Messed up muting!

I get it that hackusating is mutable, but there's a line where someone is actually accusing someone of hacking and someone is 'referring to 'a' hacker'. A few minutes ago I was in Annihilation, about to hand a set of equipment over to a friend, when I got killed. My friend asked what happened and I said "Yellow's magician got me". I didn't hackusate to a specific player and the person who killed me was not the person I was referring to.

Nevertheless, ShadowGaming (whom I had just killed, I might mention) decided to give me a twelve hour mute for the deed!

A few moments later the hacker I was referring to was banned!


Besides the fact that if you're going to make referring to 'magicians' as mutable you should warn us first: this method of hackusating is harmless! The hackers will be banned before they catch on to what's going on (or they certainly should be!) and it gives regular players a way of venting their frustration without actually breaking rules. Perhaps we should use the term 'civilian' instead? Our statements would be facts, generally, and you wouldn't be able to mute us for that (unless you decided to rename the kit!)? Do you see where this muting logic fails?


I won't be rejoining guildcraft today due to this mute, so it's not particularly important if I am unmuted or not; but I still don't like it that GC has to be so picky when so many hackers are still around. If you decide to keep the mute in place, please get priorities straight and get rid of hackers before you go Nazi on us!


~Thank you for your time!


(P.s. ShadowGaming I actually meant to put this here. As I said don't care if you guys unmute me, but I do care if you change something and see how messed up your logic is; I want to see if anyone agrees and sees my point).

(P.p.s. I posted something similar to this a while ago and got a number of people who agreed with me. I have always found the round-about hackusating to be a great compromise over absolute no-hackusating. If it is not actually allowed then I would like to request that this fact be changed!).

 

"(P.p.s. I posted something similar to this a while ago and got a number of people who agreed with me. I have always found the round-about hackusating to be a great compromise over absolute no-hackusating. If it is not actually allowed then I would like to request that this fact be changed!)."
Thats just like swear avoiding when someone calls someone "beautiful dog" which refers to "bitch".

"Besides the fact that if you're going to make referring to 'magicians' as mutable you should warn us first: this method of hackusating is harmless! The hackers will be banned before they catch on to what's going on (or they certainly should be!) and it gives regular players a way of venting their frustration without actually breaking rules. Perhaps we should use the term 'civilian' instead? Our statements would be facts, generally, and you wouldn't be able to mute us for that (unless you decided to rename the kit!)? Do you see where this muting logic fails?"

You also didnt say civilian when you accused him. I guess you wouldnt have gotten muted if you said civilian.magician is not a kit and he wasnt named magician so its quite obvious that your replacing the word with "hacks"
Its also gc's fault for not making the rules specific. I've seen many people get muted or banned for breaking rules which aren't stated in the lobbies. staff also have the option for warns. even if they are new players

" A few minutes ago I was in Annihilation, about to hand a set of equipment over to a friend, when I got killed. My friend asked what happened and I said "Yellow's magician got me". I didn't hackusate to a specific player and the person who killed me was not the person I was referring to.Nevertheless, ShadowGaming (whom I had just killed, I might mention) decided to give me a twelve hour mute for the deed!A few moments later the hacker I was referring to was banned!"

I'm assuming he only muted you because he was frustrated and angry since you killed him. -and it also doesnt matter if they were actually hacking or not. It's still hackusating.It also doesnt matter who your reffering to but you still are reffering someone. they dont need to know who your accusing. Other mods and admins who dont mute are just nice to players or dont really care if someone is hackusating.

"(P.s. ShadowGaming I actually meant to put this here. As I said don't care if you guys unmute me, but I do care if you change something and see how messed up your logic is; I want to see if anyone agrees and sees my point)."
His logic is correct. He realized that you were trying to replace the word with something else.

 

Oh his logic was very correct; I was hackusating. But the hacker never had time to figure that out.

My point with the 'civilian' analogy is that if I use a word such as 'civilian', then I'm still hackusating, just as if I were screaming 'hacker' or 'magician'... the only difference being that they'll mute me for one, but not the other. This loophole for their rules is massive. They either have to make the rule even tighter, or loosen things up!

 

Always felt the same way, but you've explained it very well

 

totally agree

 

Im pretty sure you cant get muted for saying that a civilian killed you. Even if its intended to hackusate, the statement "civilian killed me" does not have enough evidence to prove that your bypassing hackusating. Similary, if an acrobat killed me and i said "acrobat killed me" it's just a true statement. However, you said "magician killed me". Once again no one is named magician and there is no kit named "magician"

 

"So replacaments for the word "hacker" with any other shit like magician,wizard,abracadabra,etc...should NOT be mutable imo,because most of the hackers do not know about it." I dont think that theres a rule for hackusation bypassing but the staff dont really care about the logic in trying to avoid the mute because they still know that your trying to hackusate

 

This is just minecraft. This isnt United States where theres justice and logic involved when people go to court. Since aXed is the owner he can imply his own rules for chat whatever way he wants even if its unfair. Just dont use chat like me if you think your going to get muted for saying things. A long time ago I got muted with someone else because we tried to rebel with a staff and the staff told us to make a forum post but he just deleted our report so we couldnt do anything but just accept the fact the staff was being unfair and that this is minecraft and things are unfair and that in this fairy tail world the staff can do whatever they want.

 

-also i think this post can get locked because its sort of arguing about the mute

 

I think we can get a warning point of we continue this post in public. You should make a hidden conversation and invite us.

 

im definitely sure that other servers are worse. Gc may still be bad but at least its better than other servers. In other servers they troll players and ban players for fun even if they worked hard on the server

 

+1

 

You've always been a staff hater havent you, StoneHeart. You da real badboy

 

Mvp+

 

Btw... Henry, I hate you guys for a very good reason. At this point so many harsh words have been exchanged nobody even cares anymore.


On a side note guys. Another point about muting which I'm getting REALLY mad about: getting mad at void swappers.

This morning I rushed into a team to farm, two p4, potted iron guys with me, and the first thing that happens is I get void swapped and this mod kicks me into the void. I'm obviously pissed, and following up on my personality I don't hesitate to let everyone know.

Of course the mod who just killed me has got to mute me for that! And I get that; I don't blame the mod... mostly.

There's just one huge problem with it!

1: It's illegal to get mad and mess up the mood of the server. Ok. I got that.

But...

2: It's legal to piss people off with void swapping?

What kind of miserable contradiction is this? You're begging a result but banning it as soon as it arrives! What are you even expecting?


I know people have stated their issues with void swapping before, but I'm stating mine from the point of getting mad and getting muted for it!



Btw, Spam; we're just discussing the problem. I don't care if I get unmuted; I made that clear. We're just a group of concerned players discussing the rules. Keep in mind it pisses me off just as much when my friends get muted for this stuff as when I get muted for it! I think it's time something changed.

If aXed wants to go dictator on the situation without discussing it and finding a solution, well then he has that right; but if he decides to exercise it then it'll be a statement to his name (and server) which won't wipe off easily.

 

sigh*

 

Don't put me on corrup list

 

resigned too late so got demoted before I wanted to resign but already too late which is more time saving.
#TyAsy

 

I totally agree. There have even been times where the hackusator was muted, but the hacker got away clean. I think these rules seriously need to be changed.

 

they buffed enchanter when swapper came back such a rip off :3

 

I sort of agree with what you're saying with direct accusations being only mutable, I don't really understand the whole 'magician' and 'wizard' being mutable. The logic behind hackusations being mutable however isn't flawed, directly accusing them tends to make them more aware of who to toggle for, making them effectively harder to catch. If people were to record rather than accuse, it would be much easier to have a much more clean server. I get that not everyone can manage to run a recording software, but this isn't an excuse to go round accusing. I record a lot, and you telling staff to get their priorities straight about banning hackers without muting hackusations doesnt make any sense, if anything you're making my job even harder.

Also swapper was nerfed to stop void swapping, when it got fixed after it was bugged maybe it was forgotten. But the whole, I get mad, therefore it should be punishable is nonsense. People tend to think spending ages getting gear makes it deserving that they kill a ton of people before they die. That's not the case.

 

My point in my last post on this subject was to state that the logic of hackusation muting was flawed, actually. And it is flawed. If you look at it from the viewpoint of having a clean server then it's a great idea, though it will create minorities and cause problems through that... but if you look at it from the presented viewpoint of 'keeping hackers from turning off hacks', it's total bull! I have never, in all my years on MC and Annihilation, see ONE hacker turn off their hacks after being hackusated -and we're talking about NONE in HUNDREDS of cases.

Perhaps a valid suggestion would be to cut down the mute?

12 hours is a lot for me. If I can't talk to my teammates then I can't farm effectively, rush effectively, work with my friends effectively, or be a functioning part of my team at all! So if I get muted it's pretty much just a ban. I'll leave GC and go play somewhere else till it's off.

15 minutes.

That's enough time to irritate the shiz out of me, get my attention, but not completely p1ss me off and make me leave. GC could get away with 30 minutes in my case. An hour would be too much.

Good idea, or no?

 

I disagree why cause when someone was hacking in the game The Chat was Filled with Magician and yes anyone that has a brian (i.e human ) would relize what u are offending him in and its offensive