»[Prison] Staff Perspectives

So recently at night I got into an arguement with VelocityVirus, who's perspective, I found literally biased and quite obviously tainted by his rank of a staff member.

Keep in mind this isn't against all prison staff members, its against a single one or two who do this.

Now this doesn't just apply to him now, and I'm not looking to report him or anything. But in my view, and I'm certain hundreds of other player's views. The kind of bs like "I'm a staff" shouldn't be in any sentence or in any threat. You being a staff member doesn't change a dang thing. Let me put this into perspective: You're being fined for doing something stupid, and you mention "I'm a police officer I can do ...." Now thats basically what staff are saying when they say "Don't do .... I'm a staff member" Don't even bother mentioning you're a staff member, because in my view, thats just showing you're clearly power desperate, and you clearly are misusing it. Your staff rank isn't there to threaten its to apply the rules. Now take a look at a few of the screen shots below. I'll explain to you what happened.

So basically we got into an argument over the fact that I had said "IGM can't get you into college" now, of course, its a simple fact it can't. In no physically aspect according to GC rules can you get real life money as an exchange for in game money. You physically nor virtually can you receive it. The trades must pertain to GC, and the items bought must be on GC.

VelocityVirus, then responded after I stated you can't get into college with in game money. Exact quotes, 'bluejay don disrespect me i'm staff'

Now I could go on around a 90 page rant on this. But I'll keep it a bit shorter, and try to prevent showing my anger for this. Why does being staff make you so important? Isn't being disrespectful to a normal member the same thing as being disrespectful to a staff member? We're all human beings. But aside with that.

He clearly mentioned staff in there. Now, this is what seriously bothers me, Not many staff do this and I like that. But clearly, a staff member isn't there to over power anyone. Which clearly this statement did. And not only that, its the fact that, he could've not even been the one directed at [If you had seen the full log, you could notice I was talking to several different people].

Now my argument is not only that, its the fact that "IGM can't get you into college" is disrespect but saying "noob" to a randy player isn't. Its just complete nonsense. If you're going to say stating the facts is disrespect. So be it, you can do that and watch players get uselessly muted multiple times.

Regards -Bluejay

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And I'd also like to ask any admin out there. Whether its the job of a staff member to threaten someone or is it to actually apply the rules properly. This clearly wasn't a warning, it was clearly provokative and a threat. Not only that, but I have screen shots of other provokative messages if, this can be taken as disrespect so can statements like "lol bluejay 100m behind me" be taken as purely provokative messages, which, I don't believe staff members should be allowed to say, let alone anyone.

 

I have one question did I mute you?The answer is no. I was no way shape and form I'm abusing my powers it is a rule that you are not allowed to disrespect staff.And if you do disrespect us ,which you didn't, we are going to mute. The screen shots that you have shown nothing about me abusing my powers. And when I said "don't disrespect me I'm staff" it was a forewarning to the fact that I can see that you were getting very heated in the conversation that was going on and wanted to give you a heads up before you did anything that you would regret later on. And you bring up the fact that I was provoking you when I said "LOL Bluejay 100m behind me " I was referring to the fact that you wanted to have price wars on prison. Which I have no problem doing only thing I was stating is that I can get better prices because I'm in prestige 2 and that fact your hundred million behind me need to get the better prices. And furthermore the reason I did mention that I am a staff member which I usually won't do it because I am. I just attain staff,and wanted to make sure that you were aware that I am staff and which you cannot disrespect. -velocityvirus

 

Also had to Add i could have muted you for arguing with staff because that's a mute also. Want to argue that point read your first line on this post "

 

He was not disrespecting staff in any way, shape or form. You warned him for no reason. A simple argument that you avoided by mentioning your staff rank, almost like a threat.

Sadly, arguing does not apply to random debates, but rather punishment debates and constant contradicting, which he was not doing. If you read the Guidelines, you would know it.



It's simply abysmal to see someone with such lack of humbleness and quite honestly, your grammar is shit (which is a requirement to be approved).

 

Those Are Examples Arguing is arguing. As it says "When some Constantly contradicts what some says"
And also grammar is a thing I must have by pasted when I applied Right? I would have to say no because my application was approved in less then 10mins. Thanks for the concern though.

 

Arguing isn't universal, you can't go around warning and muting people just because they wanted to speculate, have a debate or simply share their opinions with you.

Honestly, don't bend the rule just to favor you.

 

@VelocityVirus
@BlueJay
in clear words VV
first of all anything he says which is not in favour of you or opposes you does not mean he or she is disrespecting you
second that you are not staff. Staff is a group and you can only pin point someone if someone disrespects your post or your position
third you both gotta take an example, like me, think as if you are talking to me while you both were talking and think what would be my reaction if someone told me something disrespectful I could basically do nothing the only thing I could do is ignore or if he says something offensive I report him and that is what velocity you should have done. You should have ignored him but now in this situation when you rather decided to argue with him its your fault that is why staff is said to not to get into topics where you need to argue or debate.

 

"100M behind" that is basically provoking according your rules, bending and mending your way through to act as if you hadn't warned me. You threatened to mute me. That is an act of authorization of a mod, which is a power only given to staff members,

Abuse by the definition of google "the improper use of something." You improperly warned me, it does not matter whether or not it went into the system, the physical action you took of going as far to warn me for something you clearly knew wasn't provokative, and to continue to warn me 1 time after that clearly shows something, that something is for you to figure out.

 

This isn't a matter of arguing and debating its the act of warning. He clearly had a hand in it as you said, and clearly mods are to be held just as accountable no matter their rankage if I was disrespectful so was the message above it saying I was "behind" as well as several others which I did not include which included another threat to mute. The threats can't get involved. Had he not been a mod, he wouldn't have been able to threaten to mute. If it was worth a mute I would've been muted. And had it been worth a warn it would've gone into the system, and I could've appealed it with ease. He had every right to this arguement as I did, and therefor if you can argue I am some what accountable, as should he be.

Edit: and it isn't debatable whether or not your in game money can provide for college. Guildcraft rules forbid the transferring of in real life money in exchange for in game money / items. You can not take In game items, outside of guildcraft for an exchange.

 

no he did not threaten you first of all
he just did not use his power correctly he used his power in his personal matters
and also staff is not allowed to create situations like this
edit
its not debate able but it is argue able cuz it some what hurts him or opposes him because here you
talk about his personal life
even though you might think that it wasn't really about his personal life BUT IT WAS it was it clearly stated college which is a matter which people face irl

 

The Definition to "bend the rules" is to :to ignore rules or change them to suit one's own convenience. which I stated the exact rule not changing A word. I am done talking about this, next time I will not mention anything about my rank or such. I honestly thought me and him were Friends so I didn't want him to be mad at me. Obviously I know where me and him stand now. I apologize.

 

and also VV don't bring friendship here
if he was your friend u are suggesting that he should have not reported you

 

No I am in no Way am I saying that. I'm just saying i didn't want him to get heated with me Over something so little

 

By 'bending the rules', I mean that you're punishing someone wrongly and justifying it as a rule.
You recognized that you did something wrong, apologizing for it would be unnaceptable, right?

 

@Endless7
i think apologising would be enough
because first he didn't really mute him
and for a verbal warning a verbal apology as a punishment is fine

 

I am apologizing for bring my staff rank into this yes. That is all I will apologize for. Everything else that was said was talking simply about mine craft and guild craft prison affairs. Which if you played there you may understand a little more. I guess I will just try my best to not have small talk with players over controversial topics.

 

Just going to make one post here. Velocity, the arguing rule doesn't relate to any kind of arguing. The examples in the guidelines shows mute/ban arguing OR Constantly contradicting what someone is saying. If you mute/warn everyone that disagrees with you, it makes you more of a tyrant that is pressing your supremacy unto your subjects instead of a player that is helping the server (which is what being staff really means). I don't mean any of this in a condescending manner, I just wanted to try to help clear it up. If you have any questions, you can talk to an admin or someone that has been staff for awhile on Prison.

And to Bluejay, I don't play prison but Velocity said that he got accepted as staff not long ago (correct me if I'm wrong). There's no real need to make a forum post like this. Staff always have a rough time when starting out, and having a post like this on forums isn't going to help. In this case, I'd suggest just informing an admin and then an admin can deal with this in a more personal manner.

 

I agree completely I have yet to mute someone for arguing. And yes I got mod yesterday as a matter of fact sorry that this had to get to this point.

 

Ok it's cool. When I first became staff, I wanted to resign my first few days. But it got better pretty quick.

 

I know everything I do that has to do with muting people have a problem with it