»[Factions & Others] XRay Bans

So this is in response after seeing @DeStorm_108 's post regarding something along the lines of his Pvh being xrayed, and now claimed, though the player was banned, it didn't stop someone from being tped in there. And now I notice how bs this is.
Let me put this into perspective for you.
10 day ban for kill aura <- Gains / makes players lose 1-3 sets of IV, some gapples, Overall loss: Not over 100k.

4 Day ban For XRay

Now its time I put up my reasons why Xray needs a MUCH longer ban. Now let me put you, the reader into this perspective. I xrayed your vault, you don't have a faction, its unclaimed, and I somehow get caught, but lets say you're offline, I get to take everything out, and I get a 4 day ban. Lets say you're online. I tp players in, you could possibly die, you could not. I get into my faction / become moderator of my fac. I claim the vault. My friends, while I'm banned take all the items.

You just lost 1M in IV, Items, Weapons, Tools, Pots. And all I needed to do to gain 1M+ is just xray, and I bet you half the time I wouldn't even get caught.

Now I'm not saying to pipe the ban up to like 3 years or some insane number. But xray is MUCH more easy to cause catastrophic damage. Similar to glitching, you can create IMMENSE irreversable damage. And since GC REFUSES TO ROLL BACK CHUNKS (Not that you should, but they don't) It is quite clear it is similar to glitching. If I glitched into your pvp base, I get a longer ban than kill aura (I don't know how long but I recall it being permanent bans at times possibly changed) But Why is Xray not literally considered glitching?

And if you admins don't want to increase the Xray ban...
Here are some possible alternatives

• Roll back chunks
• Come up with a plugin / system. That increases the ban.

Now an example of how this plugin could work is, admins would optionally not have to type the ban time, or only type the ban time in special cases. The command would be /tempban bluejay Xray
Now this plugin would automatically look into the ban information, and based on a systematic number, lets say its 2, if I've gotten 2 bans for xray before, this will automatically increase the ban time to 15 days or even more.

It is with all respect, that I say its purely outrageous to let a WELL KNOWN / EXPERIENCED MEMBER IN THE COMMUNITY. TO GET AWAY WITH A 4 DAY BAN FOR SOMETHING THEY KNOW THEY SHOULDN'T DO.

Now this directly related to Destorm's thingy and what not. Basically, I not only want, I'm requesting, that this kind of bs isn't let alone. SilvesterHD *Sorry for using him as an example but he was in the situation I viewed* has played GC for long enough to know not to use it. This shouldn't be a 4 day ban for him, although I know its not changing. But in the future. If I were to xray, I know I would deserve a 10+ day ban for xray OR EVEN LONGER, knowing I knew the rules, I used it at my own risk, and I should've known better as a player who's played GC for so long.

Regards -BlueJay

@aXed @Tenderman @Melon333 [Sorry for not tagging more admins, just not looking to spam feed everyone]

 

Agree, too many hack on gc, maps just full of sign of xray, tunnel go directly down to a Dungeons. I suggest just make a plugin to detect hack client, and not allow them to login.

 

I agree on extending the xray ban +1

 

its not admins job to decide ban time,there is rules m8 too for us,and we have to follow it unless it get changed.
the only one can change it is aXed.

 

Grammar on point at usual :')

I like this idea of having bans progress over time depending on how many past bans the certain user has.
Basically, another way to rule out them X-rayers. Increasing the ban for certain donators that isn't good, I get most of the donators these days either are hacking or have hacked previously but increasing the ban just for them is quite bias to other members of this community. And once again it would be a good option for a new style of banning (Progressing bans) to solve this Problem.

I can understand what you're trying to say about rolling back the chunks for people but frankly we don't need this feature and let alone how easily this could be abused. The main reason we don't allow rollbacks/item return is that since someone has X-rayed the X location they have the items stored somewhere else, they're still going to have the items when they get back from the ban. If we do decide to roll back the area it would double the amount of 'Lost' Items which isn't good.

Since this isn't up to me to make the decisions for factions or any other thing.
Please wait for a higher staff member to reply.
Thanks,


-Melon

 

I lost 6+stacks of blocks of dia and emeral blocks, also 2+stackw of other blocks on skyblock.
The guy got banned for 4 days for griefing, he is back, has all the stuff and is playing happily.
Rules are so fucked up.
I mean the least you guys could do is give us his balance and his pv stuff, if not things back.
Now this relates to the xray ban system here, so I mentioned it, nothing that i said is not related to the suggestion.

 

If it's 100% sure someone xrayed an unclaimed vault, perm ban is in order. That bitch SilversterHD wall glitched some bases (with an alt) and only got a 10 day ban. How is this dude still playing? Last reset guys like these got perm ban.

Also Vojkea doesnt mine straight down when he xrays an unclaimed vault. He makes it look like he was mining. He's gotten multiple vaults of mine.

Admins should punish this behaviour way harder.

 

^^ that bitch xd

 

But you see, I understand how it would be a bias towards donators, but I think there needs to be a quite fine line between players who've been on GC long enough to know not to hack. Some new players not only hack, but get the same ban time as the players who're quite well aware of their reputation and progression in the community. These kinds of things to be done by players who're well aware of this should not be punished lightly. Its as if you basically just ignored all admins and went forward to glitching / hacking for only physical item based values. These players who've played on GC for well over 6 months show no mental value towards these rules as clearly, having broken then despite knowing they've made progression and earned reputation, is simply disheartening and simply odd. To have to ban players who do 10x the damage the same time as someone who mined 64 diamond blocks from xray mining, isn't balanced, it really isn't.

And yes, rolling back chunks doubles the amounts of items, but I can't see how GC can fix all of this without doing something drastic. And it simply isn't just xraying, as other people have said, letting them keep their items is simply annoying, and it isn't fair. It also is an influential ban. By giving a xrayer a 10 day ban or even 4 day ban for xraying a vault, anyone in the server could easily tell based on chat what items were lost, if the raided player vocalized what happened. This easily makes new players, and even old, realize they'd rather get a 10 day ban and gain millions and keep it, rather than playing legit. And not only is this probably going to happen, its happened already, and based on the number of bans everyday, it increases by the week.

 

All hail bluejay

Maybe we could have two different types of bans for x-ray?
1. 4 day ban for someone caught using x-ray while mining
2. 10-20 day ban for someone caught using x-ray for finding dungeons and Unclaimed vaults

P.s : my skyvault has been up for 3 months or so

 

Id honestly like any ban ban time to escalate.
For instance 1st ban for hacking (killaura or something) is 10d the 2nd will be a 1 month ban, and the 3rd ofc perma banned.
Same for x-ray, 1st ban 1 week, 2nd 2 weeks , 3rd a month and 4th a perma ban.

 

I'm lucky I know xD

 

same... **** robinja home he get c*****

 

Not everyone is willing to spend money on unbans ..

 

The rules in gc are meant for the culprit to get punished, but what you guys miss out is the victim. You guys don't care about the victim, now pvp hackers is still okay you lose an iv set, while with xrays and shit you lose tons,tons of stuff. You guys should try to help the victim rather than focusing on hackers, not saying that you shouldn't ban them, but even after giving them longer bans, nobody is happy, the guy still loses his everything, I'm pretty sure any guy would rather wish for his stuff back than getting the hacker banned.Personally, my vault has got xrayed several times, we lost 25+ ig spawners in fac black, we lost tons of iv chests, even from skyvault, clearly chest finder, I'd definitely would want my stuff back rather have the guy banned.

 

Why does gc not implement the same system that is in UHC
Dude ive hacked b4 (xray) and ive seen how op UHC is against hackers if you can make every block below the first block a random ore / chest and or dispenser then hackers = nothing
Why the hell do you not do this 0-0 i mean you have an awesome developer @Tibo442 i think that's his name
he added some pretty good stuff so far so why not ask him to do this for factions or every server infact
Ofc this will not stop xray throu 1 wide walls or something but just think how op this would be to prevent further occurrences such as what happend to me and many others
Just think of it a bit - surface blocks will be xrayed and the other block under it would have a random other block / ore / chest (for chest finders) / dispenser/dropper (same as chestfinder but searches for dispensers/droppers) / spawner / basically everything even lava water wood but mostly chests , spawners and ores
I have seen hacks that highlight all man made items even
Is this not a good idea or what?
Have any of you thought of this at all?


And to what @Melon333 said it would duplicate the item if the chuncks were rolled back
But what about this (i know this would be long and tedious for every admin to do this)
-Hunt down the culprits that took the items
-Delete/remove the items
-Remove the homes that were set at the locations and remove the claims
-Ban the people who supported the hacker (1 day) <---- After SilvesterHD was banned his friends tryed to taunt me by saying thanks for the items
-Then place back the items / roll back
- /mail the person who lost all his items (in my case my entire faction except for PizaCraft1 and Jatinsingh)
-Then claim it for the person -,-
and done

Or possibly instead of placing items back in the vault make a /pv that can be used once? sortof
like place the stolen items in a pv for the person who lost it all and give hime a time to collect it or the items would dissapear (2 days like the /ah)

Also I agree with @BlueJay that bans should be increased for experienced members but what about bans that were false , someone would have to do something about that
I have 3 bans 1 of witch is true the other 2 were false bans
Say if i were to xray or use pvp hacks would those false bans effec my time in any way?
I asked an admin a while back about my ban record and it turned up as 3 bans wich is correct but 2 were false so ya ;p

Critisize this all you want this would very much help improve gc gameplay

 

yes!yes!finaly some smart sugeston by you!+999

 

finally ?

 

Well hehad a sugeston abot opening chest in claimed tritoy and u dont think that is a smart idea

 

In responce to: @DeStorm_108

Well the thing is with the system used in UHC it is good for blocking out certain blocks but the down side for it is the fact that how laggy it is. If we did decide to implement a system like in UHC in all servers then I hope you like lag

Most servers already lag enough as they do, adding the same system from UHC = too much lag so no.

 

No offense. But you say that like factions is anything but laggy. It's laggy. It's like someone's firing 90 tnt every few minutes. And I know I'm not one to complain, because I've seen far worse. But I've also seen far better.

 

I realize that it would lag
but what about the my other arguments of you hunting the items down

 

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